definitely have some growth on the ground side which is typically driven by consumer activity around e-commerce so that is a secularly growing piece of their business. the manufacturing side when they preannounced early in september is really where they're citing most of the weakness and that impacts their express, which is kind of their higher revenue per piece move, higher margin moves in the air at least and that is part of the problem they're seeing, so it's a little bit of a two-fold situation with the consumer through e-commerce doing relatively well, the manufacturing side being softer, impacting express. >> we're trying to glean whether the economy itself, how much we can actually derive from what fedex is saying here about the overall economy, where kind of our theme today, we talked about the shock and awe from the fed, and whether ben bernanke and company actually knew something was worse than they thought or whether they're doing this because they have a dual mandate. do you think that the economy is worse than we think right now, christian, from fedex? >> sure i think from fedex as
